Today's ethics question from my son:
"Today's ethics question" was posted by my son, Jonathan, at http://jdblundell.blogspot.com/2006/09/todays-ethics-question_19.html#comments.
What arguments can you provide that concludes that homosexuality is not wrong or that homosexuality is wrong?
And I'll add a second part to it from previous discussions...
What arguement, other than Scripture or Religious beliefs, have led you to the conclusion that same sex marriage is wrong?
posted by Jonathan Blundell at 10:50 AM on Sep 19 2006
You can read the two original comments on Jonathan's blog, but I have added my own comments to this blog as well as Jonathan's. The following comments are mine.
The question of homosexuality being wrong or not wrong is an interesting question which should be answered. Is it possible to even define wrong without scripture or religious beliefs? There must be absolutes. You may say, "There are no absolutes." That is making an absolute statement and therefore it proves itself false and its antithesis must be true. There are absolutes. Look at the two questions logically as those things for and against them.
What is wrong or bad for me may be right or good for you, depending on our respective perspectives. It may be wrong for me to have more money than you, in your opinion. Therefore, in your opinion, it could be right for you to take my money from me. I may not think it is all right for me to have more money than you, but I definitely would think it wrong for you to take my money from me. That does not mean that right and wrong are relative. It only shows how some people would think of them as relative instead of absolute. Let's look at the question from other perspectives.
Another issue must be considered. Sexual relationships are only the thermometer of the relationship. They are not the air conditioner which relieves the sweat of the day. They are not the heater that warms the chill from the outside world. A temporary port in the storm gives short term relief, but it is nothing compared to the securtiy, relief, comfort, provision, peace and satisfaction of being safe in one's home port. The question then becomes, "Do you want many relationships without depth, or one in which you and your partner are intimately commited to each other in every way for your lifetime?"
Look at the positive benefits of the opposite of homosexual practices. Proponents of "free sex," as they have called it, have actually researched, surveyed, and reported that those men and women in monogamous heterosexual relationships are more satisfied and happy than those people indulging in the "free sex" world of multiple heterosexual or homosexual relationshipos.
Those couples in monogamous heterosexual relationships also report greater satisfaction, greater sexual intimacy, and more frequent sexual intercourse than those engaging in multiple heterosexual relationships. Therefore, multiple heterosexual or homosexual partnerships are not the best or the most enduring sexual relationships.
If wrong is defined as not good for you, then homosexual relationships are just as bad for you as multiple heterosexual relationships. Sexual relations with any one means that you are exposed to the same sexually transmittted diseases (STD's)to which that partner has been exposed. Therefore, it is as dangerous as having sexual relations with all of that partners' sexual partners.
Consider "same sex marriage." Male homosexuals live to an average age of less than 45 years. Their lifespan is shortened by the STD's, other diseases, and injuries brought on by their homosexual practices and the high number of partners with whom they engage in unnatural sexual relationships. The male body is not made for such acts. I do not think I need to explain that statement.
The average life span of lesbians is not known by me--but they definitely live a shorter life and have more STD's than those in monogamous heterosexual relationships. The female body is not made for homosexual relationships. Lesbians suffer from STD's even as their male counterparts.
Same sex unions (I will not equate them with marriage.) are not nearly as good, compared to heterosexual monogamous marriages even if monogamous and for the lifetime of the people so "united."
Have you ever heard of anyone or is there anyone who can point to any same sex union in which both partners have never had sexual relationships with anyone else?
Men and women interact differently than men with men or women with women. VIVA LA DIFFERENCE!
It is far easier (and better) to intimately know and become known by one partner in one's lifetime than to try to even be satisfied or satisfy more than one partner.
You can decide if homosexual relationships are right or wrong. You can decide if you are willing to suffer the consequences of repeated cheap thrills or if you are willing to commit to realizing the ultimate relationship among humans on this earth.
I thank my Lord Jesus Christ that he will enable you to realize the best relationship among humans and with himself if you will trust him and commit your life to him.
"Delight yourself in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart." Psalm 37:4
(The question of right or wrong can best be answered from Scripture because it portrays God as he has revealed himself to us. Would you like that answer?)
What arguments can you provide that concludes that homosexuality is not wrong or that homosexuality is wrong?
And I'll add a second part to it from previous discussions...
What arguement, other than Scripture or Religious beliefs, have led you to the conclusion that same sex marriage is wrong?
posted by Jonathan Blundell at 10:50 AM on Sep 19 2006
You can read the two original comments on Jonathan's blog, but I have added my own comments to this blog as well as Jonathan's. The following comments are mine.
The question of homosexuality being wrong or not wrong is an interesting question which should be answered. Is it possible to even define wrong without scripture or religious beliefs? There must be absolutes. You may say, "There are no absolutes." That is making an absolute statement and therefore it proves itself false and its antithesis must be true. There are absolutes. Look at the two questions logically as those things for and against them.
What is wrong or bad for me may be right or good for you, depending on our respective perspectives. It may be wrong for me to have more money than you, in your opinion. Therefore, in your opinion, it could be right for you to take my money from me. I may not think it is all right for me to have more money than you, but I definitely would think it wrong for you to take my money from me. That does not mean that right and wrong are relative. It only shows how some people would think of them as relative instead of absolute. Let's look at the question from other perspectives.
Another issue must be considered. Sexual relationships are only the thermometer of the relationship. They are not the air conditioner which relieves the sweat of the day. They are not the heater that warms the chill from the outside world. A temporary port in the storm gives short term relief, but it is nothing compared to the securtiy, relief, comfort, provision, peace and satisfaction of being safe in one's home port. The question then becomes, "Do you want many relationships without depth, or one in which you and your partner are intimately commited to each other in every way for your lifetime?"
Look at the positive benefits of the opposite of homosexual practices. Proponents of "free sex," as they have called it, have actually researched, surveyed, and reported that those men and women in monogamous heterosexual relationships are more satisfied and happy than those people indulging in the "free sex" world of multiple heterosexual or homosexual relationshipos.
Those couples in monogamous heterosexual relationships also report greater satisfaction, greater sexual intimacy, and more frequent sexual intercourse than those engaging in multiple heterosexual relationships. Therefore, multiple heterosexual or homosexual partnerships are not the best or the most enduring sexual relationships.
If wrong is defined as not good for you, then homosexual relationships are just as bad for you as multiple heterosexual relationships. Sexual relations with any one means that you are exposed to the same sexually transmittted diseases (STD's)to which that partner has been exposed. Therefore, it is as dangerous as having sexual relations with all of that partners' sexual partners.
Consider "same sex marriage." Male homosexuals live to an average age of less than 45 years. Their lifespan is shortened by the STD's, other diseases, and injuries brought on by their homosexual practices and the high number of partners with whom they engage in unnatural sexual relationships. The male body is not made for such acts. I do not think I need to explain that statement.
The average life span of lesbians is not known by me--but they definitely live a shorter life and have more STD's than those in monogamous heterosexual relationships. The female body is not made for homosexual relationships. Lesbians suffer from STD's even as their male counterparts.
Same sex unions (I will not equate them with marriage.) are not nearly as good, compared to heterosexual monogamous marriages even if monogamous and for the lifetime of the people so "united."
Have you ever heard of anyone or is there anyone who can point to any same sex union in which both partners have never had sexual relationships with anyone else?
Men and women interact differently than men with men or women with women. VIVA LA DIFFERENCE!
It is far easier (and better) to intimately know and become known by one partner in one's lifetime than to try to even be satisfied or satisfy more than one partner.
You can decide if homosexual relationships are right or wrong. You can decide if you are willing to suffer the consequences of repeated cheap thrills or if you are willing to commit to realizing the ultimate relationship among humans on this earth.
I thank my Lord Jesus Christ that he will enable you to realize the best relationship among humans and with himself if you will trust him and commit your life to him.
"Delight yourself in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart." Psalm 37:4
(The question of right or wrong can best be answered from Scripture because it portrays God as he has revealed himself to us. Would you like that answer?)
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